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obamna is a secret muslim fascist socialist terrorist

he will take our moneys and steal our grandmothers

and then he will send the black panthers to burn our houses down

and then he will grind all the white ppl into hash and feed them to his pet demon-leopards

VOTE MCCAIN IF YOU VALUE YOUR LIIIIIIFFFFEEEEE

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yea... i can't believe the complete BS that gets spread by the repubs this year. I mean, give it a break with the none stop apocalyptic fear mongering already.

Obama is just a European style democratic "socialist". I have no problem with that, but many int he country are ignorant and don't know anything about that style of democracy. They also confuse socialism with Marxism to the point of giving me a migraine.

We have not been a pure Capitalist state since the great depression, and that's a good thing. That system led to having two classes.. the slave labor class and the aristocrats. No thank you.

yes... as a matter a fact most of the nations on the UNs list over best place to live in are countrys with the socialist democratic welfare system that was pretty much invented up here in scandinavia.
sure the usa has a good GNP, but since you have people that own as much as whole percents of all that money. you end up pretty far down on the list over best country's to live in

Yep, according to all the republicans over here you guys have less freedom than us and live in a Tyrannical anti-democratic country. haha

lol they seem to think that democracy = every man for himself

that is how this country is, it sucks.

Everybody is out to rip off everybody else off as much as possible so they can attain 3 cars, 4 off road quads, a boat, a trailer, a huge house.... and then .. other stuff.... haha. There's no comradeship.

Really now-a-days though.. the majority of people, which is everybody else, work long hours just to barely pay their bills ever month.

And then if you express , for example... a Swedish or Germanic sentiment concerning "making a little less profit so that your other countrymen can live a little better quality of life.. "... your called a Communist and Marxist.

I agree with these comments but I am still not sure the Obama is going to do what he is talking about, nor that this country will be able to function in HIS type of socialism.

So true about, Democracy = every man for himself (the only thing I see in the country is a constant money grab, accomplished by stepping on peoples backs and crushing them under foot. Its disgusting, nor is it christian in any way to treat your fellow citizens like slaves and pay them nothing for there hard work.)

"A man is worth is wages".

The sick should be taken care of, not be allowed to die on the streets. That's what taxes should be for!

I am not happy about either candidates at all.

well i do think that even if the majority of you would want a nordic style welfare state, it will take some time. bill clinton i think laid the first stones by showing that non conservative governments could make money, and even if obama is far from a socialistic democrat. i do think that he as one of the senators with the best voting records when it comes to these issues, is the the next and best step on the way to a more healthy state.
Scandinavia invented the welfare state, today everyone here take health care and free collage for granted. not even the most conservative parties dare to be against it anymore, they where way back but if they would even mention it now, they would lose all voters so fast it would make their heads spin.
but it has not always been like that, it took us deceniums to get here and i don't think you will get there in one election.

i do think you are on your way though, i was unaware that you had elected socialistic democrats, and was really happy when one showed up in the panel of this weeks real time with bill maher

ecthelion of the fountain wrote:well i do think that even if the majority of you would want a nordic style welfare state, it will take some time. bill clinton i think laid the first stones by showing that non conservative governments could make money, and even if obama is far from a socialistic democrat. i do think that he as one of the senators with the best voting records when it comes to these issues, is the the next and best step on the way to a more healthy state.
Scandinavia invented the welfare state, today everyone here take health care and free collage for granted. not even the most conservative parties dare to be against it anymore, they where way back but if they would even mention it now, they would lose all voters so fast it would make their heads spin.
but it has not always been like that, it took us deceniums to get here and i don't think you will get there in one election.

i do think you are on your way though, i was unaware that you had elected socialistic democrats, and was really happy when one showed up in the panel of this weeks real time with bill maher

haha, it's so nice being able to hear from someone who isn't terrified of the word "socialistic".

haha well until the last election the swedish socialistic democratic party had been in power for 10 straight years... because of that socialism isn't really that shocking of word in sweden
the teens of sweden because of this has to do far worse then that if they want to seem rebellious. until i was 16 i called myself a communist. then i matured and realized that communism is a utopia that only works in the lands of fairytales. since then i've been calling myself a socialist...
being called "sosse" in sweden is pretty much the least terrifying anyone can call you...

See, most people on the "right" in the US aren't educated enough to know the difference between Socialism and Communism.

It's not rocket science, Capitalism in it's Pure form leads to tyranny, because the richest will buy out each other until there are a few Rich people and everybody else ends up slave labor, due to the eventual fail of a free market.

And equally, pure Socialism, without Capitalism.. will also lead to Communism.

It's a matter of using each as a check and balance for the other, in the same way different branches of government are used to divide up power.. so that there is enough of a balance to equal out Human Nature when confronted with Power and Wealth, imo.

Capitalism in it's Pure form = medieval feudal society

Exactly. It's been done before.

Collin Powell endorsed Obama today. He's a very popular general that was used as a fall guy by the Bush administration over the Weapons of Mass Destructions that didn't exist in Iraq.

I agree 100 percent with everything he says here too concerning the constant attacks and bs.

wow... did he realize all this now?

i can't understand what a dude with those opinions was thinking, wanting to be a part of a bush government

Ash wrote:See, most people on the "right" in the US aren't educated enough to know the difference between Socialism and Communism.

You got that right!

What frightens me even more, if that is possible:
I had a discussion with a gal from my church to tell her that telling young children 'the right way' to vote is very inappropriate, the conversation came to an end when she said something to the effect of 'If the government gives poor people money to go to college, they won't know what to do, but if rich people have more money, then they can make more jobs because they know how.' That conversation ended only because I could no longer seem to form words and could stutter after hearing such a horrifying combination of stupidity and ignorance.

I was able to keep my composure even after she said how people from all over the world came to America just to get good medical care and many other things that should only be said satirically, but that last thing was just too much.
Also, she did not seem to understand how telling a bunch of young 8 and 9-year old kids that Obama is a bad man who is gonna kill babies and make boys marry boys was inappropriate. Most of those kids look up to me and call me 'mom', they were horrified when they found out their mom was voting for the 'bad man'.

I have never been made so angry or frightened before voting!

the truth is that most immigrants including illegal ones are more hardworking then the "natives". as a matter a fact Mexicans and others that flee to your country are probably the ones is the entire usa that has the most faith in the so called American dream. they are not spoiled like us, they are grateful for escaping hell and usually work hard.
i live in a town where the most common name on newborn boys is Mohamed, i can see a mosque from my garden. now if what the right said was true, a vast part of the men in my town would be sitting on their bums doing nothing! when in fact almost all of the bums and lowlifes that live of what we pay in taxes are swedes and almost every new grocery store or similar are owned by a immigrant! some of them barely speak swedish but they have already started their own business! i'd like to see some right wing politicians start their own business in an arabic country where nobody speaks English, after only having lived there for 1 or 2 years

this is how fox news choose to present my beloved home town

That's Fox news for ya! Twisted and unbalanced coverage!

This may make what I said about the above gal even worse, the part of town we live in *National City* is probably about 90% Mexican, Filipino and Black and mostly made up of immigrant families. Sadly, for a long time, this area was considered one of the most proverty-stricken areas and highest levels of gang violence in CA.

I, myself, am a mixture of several different 'races'/multi-racial *if that is a word* including Mexican, Italian, Arab, Greek, and some part Asian *my great-grandmother on my dad's side was a Greek-Asian orphan living in Greece*. My mother was born in the US and went to school both here and Mexico; my dad's family came to the US in the 60s from Italy, and they had to work very hard to learn the culture and language and support the family.

The gal I was talking about also has a multiracial background, her mother is Mexican and her father is black, but her parents are also madly religious. This madly religious couple decided to homeschool their two daughters for the last 28 years.
I'm not saying homeschooling is bad, its usually better than our public education, I was homeschooled for a few years, but in this girl's case its as if her fanatic parents brainwashed her to have the mentality of a stereotypical 1950s 'white' American house wife.

well we had areas like that even before we had immigrants. the part of a larger city where most poor people live, will have the most criminals. and it will continue to be like that until we get rid of segregation, make sure anyone that wants can go to collage and stop the rich from using the poor to get even richer. in America the republican party has stopped any of those reforms from being made on a big scale. so ironically more then anyone else it is the rights fault that the gangs exist.
in sweden we still need to deal with segregation, but the fact that the Scandinavian welfare state is working better then a conservative state is pretty much proven if you check which nations have ruled the UNs list of best countys to live in, during the last deceniums...

ecthelion of the fountain wrote:well we had areas like that even before we had immigrants. the part of a larger city where most poor people live, will have the most criminals. and it will continue to be like that until we get rid of segregation, make sure anyone that wants can go to collage and stop the rich from using the poor to get even richer. in America the republican party has stopped any of those reforms from being made on a big scale. so ironically more then anyone else it is the rights fault that the gangs exist.
in sweden we still need to deal with segregation, but the fact that the Scandinavian welfare state is working better then a conservative state is pretty much proven if you check which nations have ruled the UNs list of best countys to live in, during the last deceniums...

Its so true and its just so frightening and frustrating that people here don't want to see that! Like I said, its even scarier that people, like that girl, who are both minority and of a less privileged background are being taught not to believe this.
The 'American Dream' is a near impossible goal if at all possible anymore because of those who were already living prosperously have made it so. I think most of the world has realised that, but here in the states, people are still taught that no matter who you are or where you come from, if you work hard, you will be financially sucessful. That idea is instilled in our culture from childhood.

Hopefully, if any good comes out of this economic chaos, it will be the death of the idea of the American Dream. Welcome to the New Depression, America!

Illegals are allowed here because america was and still is founded on slave labor. The rich can pay them nothing, break there backs, and let them die in the bushes after building the rich man's house. Lots of illegals do not come here to work, but to steal and sell drugs, etc...

Illegals from mexico have the highest criminal rate of anyone in the usa. This is a fact. Illegals are not a productive, or good thing. A Country has borders for a reason, come in through the front door, don't sneak in through my window and sell drugs to my kids.

I am all for Democratic Socialism to a point, but not to much of it. There has to be a balance wrapped up in some degree of Nationalism for this to work. Capitalism must also be allowed to function in this society, we must have a free market.

If you think the citizens of the usa don't work hard, like myself, you are just wrong. We bust our asses to the grindstone everyday for the little pay we receive. Illegals only lower our wages considerably and put us out of work.

Deport them, militarize the borders, make english our national language, raise minimal wages everywhere and prevailing wages, mandate health coverage for every citizen, stop sending money oversees, focus on our own country for once, focus on our own people, kill our enemies quickly and lethally with maximum force and then come home, make education a high priority.

This is the answer to our country, do this, and america shall be greater than ever.

I've torn or strained almost every part of my body in labor, working.

Lots of illegals do not come here to work, but to steal and sell drugs, etc...

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are you barking mad? who the hell would risk their life to get past a desert, a fence and armed guards only to steal? may i remind you that there are drug addicts and rich folk south of usa...
they come to america because they believe your propaganda that claims that anyone who really works hard can be successful, they come to america in search for a better life. but when they get there they are greeted by racism, an unfair system that grants them no chance in hell to be successful! why? because their own education is considered crap, and you have to have alot of money to get education. a system designed to keep rich people rich and poor people poor.

and the reason mexicans have the highest criminal rate is fairly obvious isn't it? its because they are the most recent wave of struggling newcomers to the land! because of segregation it takes more then one generation for immigrants to become a part of the new society. and until they do they will have the highest rate of people that fall into poverty and use crime to get their daily bread.
the first gangs where irish, then they merged with the land, but then came the Italians and i am sure i don't have to tell you about their gangs and drugs. and the list goes on until today...
in sweden Yugoslavs,kurds, and the other large immigrant groups are responsible for most of the crime. but the wave of immigrants who came here was just the same, and they where from FINLAND!!!
and i'm sorry if this will offend you but what you ended your post with is nothing other then pure Nazism... hitler himself could have written it if you changed all of the "americans" into "germany"...
and it is ridiculous that racism is allowed to grow so strong especially when usa is a nation of immigrants!

I'd say there is truth in what both last posts offer.

But when it comes to Immigration, I believe it is logical to stop it at a certain point. Historically speaking, not all immigration is healthy and it wouldn't hurt to take a break from accepting new immigrates until we can figure out how to deal with the millions of illegal ones we already have , as well as deal with our own infrastructure as well.