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New Scientist- Why Darwin was Wrong

Post by Ash on Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:31 pm




Interesting new article from a completely secular scientific magazine that just came out..

Warning- It's a long read.


http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126921.600-why-darwin-was-wrong-about-the-tree-of-life.html

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Re: New Scientist- Why Darwin was Wrong

Post by Maurice the Zombie on Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:40 am

Ah, very interesting read indeed.
Thanks for sharing.

I posted it on a certain board that threw out a certain founder of this board. *elf

I have thought about subscribing to that magazine, but so far I think I have too little time and money to do so.
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Re: New Scientist- Why Darwin was Wrong

Post by Ash on Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:57 pm

Oh.. good 'ol Nordic Mission.

So your Crossbearer then? Sweet.

How is Finland doing?

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Re: New Scientist- Why Darwin was Wrong

Post by ecthelion of the fountain on Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:01 pm

well living when i did it's pretty obvious that Darwin couldn't grasp the complexity of evolution. that his little sketch on a paper isn't working anymore isn't really that surprising...
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Re: New Scientist- Why Darwin was Wrong

Post by Guest on Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:18 pm

Exactly. I hope you all read this part:

"If you don't have a tree of life, what does it mean for evolutionary biology?" asks Bapteste. "At first it's very scary... but in the past couple of years people have begun to free their minds." Both he and Doolittle are at pains to stress that downgrading the tree of life doesn't mean that the theory of evolution is wrong - just that evolution is not as tidy as we would like to believe. Some evolutionary relationships are tree-like; many others are not. "We should relax a bit on this," says Doolittle. "We understand evolution pretty well - it's just that it is more complex than Darwin imagined. The tree isn't the only pattern."

Don't understand the article in a way that the theory of evolution is questioned, just Darwin's 150 year old understanding of evolution. As the article says, compare it with Newtonian vs. Einsteinian physics. Newton wasn't wrong, he just hit the exception that is gravity on earth. Darwin wasn't that wrong, he just didn't know much about germs and nothing about genetics.

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Post by Maurice the Zombie on Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:54 pm

I just think it's interesting that things always turn out to be more complex than we humans think it is.

And that we should never be too sure about what we think we know.

Cause we're usually wrong in some way any way.

Someone actually declared in the 50's that all there is to ever be invented had been invented. :)
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Post by Maurice the Zombie on Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:00 am

Ash wrote:Oh.. good 'ol Nordic Mission.

So your Crossbearer then? Sweet.

How is Finland doing?
Yes I am.

Finland is going through some tough times, as many other countries atm.

The smallest city in Finland lost it's main industry, and is now, pretty much, doomed.
Which is sad, cause it was a beautiful city.

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Re: New Scientist- Why Darwin was Wrong

Post by Ash on Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:06 am

It's the same here in the USA, man. I'm barely gettin' by.. working for like 3 or 4 different companies or contractors.. because no one has any steady work for long.

It's scary.

Some very large cities here are looking pretty doomed too.

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Re: New Scientist- Why Darwin was Wrong

Post by Karen on Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:10 am

Maurice the Zombie wrote:
Ash wrote:Oh.. good 'ol Nordic Mission.

So your Crossbearer then? Sweet.

How is Finland doing?
Yes I am.

Finland is going through some tough times, as many other countries atm.

The smallest city in Finland lost it's main industry, and is now, pretty much, doomed.
Which is sad, cause it was a beautiful city.



Wow, is that the small city you are referring too? I want to go there and just be chill. rrr
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Re: New Scientist- Why Darwin was Wrong

Post by Maurice the Zombie on Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:49 pm

Yes, that's the one. :)
It's a nice city indeed.
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Re: New Scientist- Why Darwin was Wrong

Post by Karen on Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:41 pm

What is it called in Finnish?
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Re: New Scientist- Why Darwin was Wrong

Post by Diamhasla on Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:15 pm

This isn't the first time they've said Darwin was wrong about aspects of his evoloutionary theory. I used to read this all the time when I was a kid. There are about two hundred old issues in the attic if I could only overcome the vertigo...

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Post by Ash on Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:02 pm

I've been talking about it for awhile.. but until others say it.. it's not true... haha.

You have Vertigo when you go in the attic?

Or is there just a creepy ass feeling up there.. like you aren't alone? Twisted Evil

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Post by Maurice the Zombie on Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:44 am

Karen wrote:What is it called in Finnish?
It's called Kaskinen.
But many of the inhabitants are Swedish-speakers (like I am) and thus call it Kaskö.

Anyone read Darwin's book?

I'm now reading Finding Darwin's God (Thanks Emissary!), and it gave me some motivation to some day give it a skim.
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Post by Diamhasla on Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:43 am

Ash wrote:I've been talking about it for awhile.. but until others say it.. it's not true... haha.

You have Vertigo when you go in the attic?

Or is there just a creepy ass feeling up there.. like you aren't alone? Twisted Evil

I don't get vertigo in the attic, I get it going up the ladder to the attic.

But I do get that creepy feeling too, when I'm on my own at night. Sometimes I have to take down all the mirrors because whenever I walk past one I see something standing behind me, just for a second... pale

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Post by Karen on Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:41 am

Ooh. I can relate to the haunting feelings you guys are describing. I get it all the time. Most of the time, I'd say I kind of get a kick out of it, though.
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Re: New Scientist- Why Darwin was Wrong

Post by Guest on Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:17 am

Diamhasla wrote:This isn't the first time they've said Darwin was wrong about aspects of his evoloutionary theory. I used to read this all the time when I was a kid. There are about two hundred old issues in the attic if I could only overcome the vertigo...
Did you read the article? Did you understand it? The article is mostly about single cell life forms, which Darwin knew nothing about. What Darwin wrote is basically correct. As I wrote earlier, compare it with Newton vs. Einstein. Newton saw one bit of the picture, Einstein saw a bigger part. Darwin saw one bit of the picture, other bits have been found since that. Darwin wasn't wrong.

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Post by Oddly on Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:49 pm

Diamhasla wrote:I don't get vertigo in the attic, I get it going up the ladder to the attic.
Is it a really tall ladder?
Also, I get nasty vertigo attacks, but it's usually by moving *or the feeling of moving* up and down very quickly...its not fun.
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Post by Oddly on Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:56 pm

Karen wrote:Ooh. I can relate to the haunting feelings you guys are describing. I get it all the time. Most of the time, I'd say I kind of get a kick out of it, though.
I used to be followed by something I could perceive, but not see. Much like that episode of Doctor Who where Donna has that thingie on her back, people knew something was there, but no one could see it...it was not a good time.
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Post by ecthelion of the fountain on Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:13 pm

huh yeah i get that feeling too, quite often when i sit here and write i get the feeling someone is sitting one the bed behind me, watching me
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Post by Oddly on Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:44 pm

It's such a horribly unnerving and icky feeling. Mad
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Post by Diamhasla on Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:46 pm

I can live with the 'you're not alone' feeling.

Sleep paralysis is the worst. By far, it's the worst. Evil or Very Mad

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Post by Oddly on Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:56 am

Sleep paralysis is the worst. By far, it's the worst.
Yep, the otherworldy foe that would persue me often caused similar feelings during the daytime hours as well as night.
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