American Politiks

America is not sweden, we value our freedom, and don't need to be taken care of by the government every second. Well, I guess some do.

I don't trust Obama, and his communist ideas. If he can improve the country without stripping us of more freedom, then thats cool, but I have a feeling thats not likely. But the country is still not left wing, Prop 8 has passed, and we have also banned afirmative action in three states, a nice start.

Hope is not lost yet. The only reason Hussain got elected was because Bush messed up the country so badly that people needed a different party. I dislike bush as well as anyone, but the communist party is not the way to go!

stefan wrote: I dislike bush as well as anyone, but the communist party is not the way to go!

I agree. good thing Obama isn't a communist.

Plus bro, you work for the government and benefit directly from the socialism we already have in regards to medical and benefits.. so be fair about it.

ecthelion of the fountain wrote:when i saw obamas nr of electoral votes on cnns homepage, it felt almost surreal

Yeah, it was definitly a surreal feeling; I was working on a project for a friend and my parents yelled out that McCain was giving his concession speech, it was so early in the night and it just didn't seem real...it didn't really hit me until later when we watched 'Barry' come out with his family and give his speech.

I couldn't believe the votes either, I thought the numbers were going to be much closer, but it was certainly a wonderful surprise to see that the majority love Obama. ;D

Ash wrote:well, he's famous here too.. only (in)famous.

Btw, a swedish fellow I know through a friend is visiting this weekend.. funny how you guys are always on some sort of vacation... it's not fair.

well he is admired not so much for his ideology but for giving his life for what he believed in, to the point that he actually died for it. he pretty much became a martyr of the revolution. and even though socialists believe in a totally different revolution, they still admire him for the fact that he died for it.

hehe yeah, swedish unions are very old and because of the fact that we have always had a strong turn out at elections, teh working class has ruled sweden for a long time. my ancestors went through fire and ice, a few even got shot... so that i now can enjoy some of the best working conditions on earth. and the most vacations



stefan: we value freedom too. taxes is not taking away your freedom its solidarity. it's like 10th in church... you offer money and service to the lords work, but you will be rewarded with so much more

Oddly wrote:

ecthelion of the fountain wrote:when i saw obamas nr of electoral votes on cnns homepage, it felt almost surreal

Yeah, it was definitly a surreal feeling; I was working on a project for a friend and my parents yelled out that McCain was giving his concession speech, it was so early in the night and it just didn't seem real...it didn't really hit me until later when we watched 'Barry' come out with his family and give his speech.

I couldn't believe the votes either, I thought the numbers were going to be much closer, but it was certainly a wonderful surprise to see that the majority love Obama. ;D

yeah obama ended with a bigger lead then mccains total amount of votes. that + the amount of people that voted = a new dawn for American democracy. maybe it was just because they identified themselves with obama, but i'd rather hope that the middle/working class and all the minorities that have felt unrepresented finally have risen from the couch to take control of their own situation, to vote for what will give them not the richest 10% a better life.

stefan wrote:America is not sweden, we value our freedom, and don't need to be taken care of by the government every second. Well, I guess some do.

I don't trust Obama, and his communist ideas. If he can improve the country without stripping us of more freedom, then thats cool, but I have a feeling thats not likely.

Come now, Stefan, do you really have any reason not to trust Barack Hussein Obama*II*?

I've not heard him say anything about stripping away our freedom or supporting Communist idealogies.
Yes, America is not Sweden, we definitly do not seem to abide by our principles of equality in these parts, some of us do not even like to share the land we live in with those who are any type of different than ourselves...

Who doesn't value their freedom? I hardly think having a government that puts their taxpayers' money to good use as a revocation of freedom...
Instead of getting diddly-squat and mediocre results out of our fairly high taxes, imagine stuff like, oh, I don't know, improving the quality and avalibility of public education, public transportation, health care, and working towards improving life in general...those are some pretty radical, off the wall ideas there. Crazy talk!

I haven't been able to find the official number on the voter turnout for the election, but people have been announcing that not only was the turnout the highest in years but also highest in young adults and minorities in decades. I'd say that makes up the majority of the US's working class, so yay for the hard working people of America! Good job!

Ash wrote:

stefan wrote: I dislike bush as well as anyone, but the communist party is not the way to go!

I agree. good thing Obama isn't a communist.

Plus bro, you work for the government and benefit directly from the socialism we already have in regards to medical and benefits.. so be fair about it.

I find this to be interesting. If you are in the military or work for the gov't, you in fact ARE benefiting from a socialism style life...How would you feel, Stefan, if that safety net was taken from you, and you had to pay for all that coverage on your own? Well, that is how a lot of us feel right now...And a lot of us without a job or one that pays enough to actually make ends meet, outside of medical needs.

yes that is the whole point. conservatism is all about low taxes but putting that tax money into things like the army and creating a good market. unfortunately you have had a gun nut as president, so you have ended up with the taxes of a social liberal state anyway.
what "socialists" like obama wanna do is take that same money and give it to schools,hospitals etc... because of that investment the middle class will actually have more money, which ironically they will use consuming, creating the same good capitalistic market without giving the money to already very rich people. that is why sweden has been top 5 on UN's HDI index for the last years... and america is 12 and dropping.

What we need is responsible socialism and conservative capitalism...

Here is one view of pure capitalism...

This is only one American company and these are facts not propaganda...


WAL-MART:

Apparently Wal-Mart has more workers on welfare then any other company, yet they are one of the wealthiest?

The Democratic staff of the House Committee on Education and the Workforce estimated the breakdown of costs for one 200-employee Wal-Mart store:
* $36,000 a year for free or reduced school lunches, assuming that 50 families of employees qualify.
* $42,000 a year for Section 8 rental assistance, assuming that 3% of the store employees qualify.
* $125,000 a year for federal tax credits and deductions for low-income families, assuming that 50 employees are heads of households with a child, and 50 employees are married with two children.
* $108,000 a year for the additional federal contribution to state children's health insurance programs, assuming
that 30 employees with an average of two children qualify.
* $100,000 a year for additional Title I expenses, assuming 50 families with two children qualify.
* $9,750 a year for the additional costs of low-income energy assistance.

WAL-MART Costs Taxpayers $1,557,000,000,00 to Support its Employees

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The ever beloved lobbyist...

"Led by Sam Walton's only daughter, Alice, the family spent $3.2 million on lobbying, conservative causes and candidates for last year's federal elections. That's more than double what it spent in the previous two elections combined, public documents show...a USA TODAY review of public documents reveals a small-town Arkansas family emerging as a political juggernaut on tax issues, extending Wal-Mart's influence over U.S. society even more."

Average WAL-MART Hourly Sales Employee Earnings: $13,861

* "On average, Wal-Mart sales clerks -- "associates" in company parlance -- pulled in $8.23 an hour, or $13,861 a year, in 2001, according to documents filed in a lawsuit pending against the company."
* Source: Anthony Bianco and Wendy Zellner, "Is Wal-Mart Too Powerful?" Business Week, October 6, 2003. Primary source information on 2001 wage data is from the testimony of Dr. Richard Drogin, in Dukes v. WM.

HELEN WALTON: $18.0 BILLION
ALICE WALTON: 18.0 BILLION
JOHN WALTON: 18.2 BILLION
ROB WALTON: $18.3 BILLION
JIM WALTON: $18.3 BILLION

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Cost for WAL-MART Factory Worker to Assemble a toy: $0.18
Retail cost at Wal-Mart: $14.96

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...and this is just a fraction of it...and does not include the conditions the workers in Asia have to live and work in, to produce these products so the walton family can be rich... There is a documentary called, "The High Cost of Low Prices", that tells all. It very disturbing.

A very close friend of mine has been an employee of Wal-Fart for a few years now, and he told me something that made me want to...

I'll let the article tell the story 'cause if given the chance, I will likely go on another seemingly endless rant.

Walmart Tells Employees Not to....

There are many articles with Wal-Mart's reps denying it, but nope, and this is not the only awful inside info he's told me concerning the Wal-fart machine...
...and that documentary, arrrhhh!!! After watching it, I felt even more upset that they had built another one of their crappy stores in our area.

I just don't think Obama is the white horse come to save our skins. He has openly talked about instituting a non military security force as powerful as the military. What exactly is this? Sounds vaguely familiar doesn't it. Gestapo?

And how is he going to pay for this and all his other hand out programs. Do we really need even higher taxes.

Do you really think Obama is going to secure our borders, because unless we have a nationality and a border, his social programs will certainly fail.

We already have socialism, it just needs to be run properly. Of course the american people should benefit from our tax dollars through better schools, hospitals, and so forth.

Did you not see the ballot, there were some great social props on there, which I voted for. That's democracy; we don't need Obama to control everything, WE need to able to have more power, not the Government!

This guy is not going to save your soul or your country, lets get real. That's up to us.

Obama To Re-Appoint Pro-Fairness Doctrine Commissioner To The FCC

By Rob on November 6, 2008 at 08:57 pm 44 Comments


Reagan gave this guy the axe back in the 1980’s, leading to the FCC deregulation that allowed for the rise of conservative talk radio. Now Obama is looking to put him back at the FCC.
Can the Fairness Doctrine be far behind?

Henry Rivera, a longtime radical leftist, lawyer and former FCC commissioner, is expected to lead the push to dismantle commercial talk radio that is favored by a number of Democratic Party senators. Rivera will play a pivotal role in preventing critics from having a public voice during Obama’s tenure in office.
Rivera, who resigned from the FCC nearly a quarter-century ago during the Reagan years, believes in a doctrine of “communications policy as a civil rights issue”.
His exit during the Reagan Administration paved the way for the Fairness Doctrine’s repeal when the late president appointed Patricia Diaz Dennis in 1986 to fill out the rest of Rivera’s term. Had this not occurred, talk radio as we know it today would not exist.
That gives Rivera’s new task a great deal of personal urgency: it’s a late-career, second chance opportunity to shut down opposition voices that have been allowed to flourish since his depature from the commission.
In particular, Rivera is known for his push for more minority broadcasting ownership, but this issue has largely been rendered obsolete as former commercial broadcasting empires teeter on the brink of bankruptcy.
Rivera’s first opportunity to eliminate commercial talk radio will occur in June 2009, as the term of Republican Robert McDowell expires and he can be replaced with a pro-Fairness Doctrine Democrat. That will give the commission a three-vote Democratic majority, though the final two seats must remain in Republican hands.
If they can strong-arm one of the three Republicans into leaving early, this can be implemented even sooner.

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yea.. apparently the right wingers think anything that benefits the lower class is Marxism.

To something like that, all I can say is, get educated.

The man is not even president yet and has not made one policy decision...where do people come with this stuff?

This is a heat sensitive coffee cup, about the current administration, I believe...he he...

He is a muslum and is going to take your rights away bruder. But that's ok, as long as your check is in the mail, right? He has publicly stated that this is no longer a christian country and has mocked the sermon on the mount.

As a christian, I find this very scary indeed. And you should also.

He is not a european socialist, he is an extreme liberal communist. Have you even seen his cabinet appointees, these people are trully scary.

His supposed pastor is an extreme racist and muslum supporter, not a christian. This guy has been so deceptive its amazing. He has not even proved is citizenship, which of course would disqualify him immediately.

He did not even put his hand over his heart during the national anthem. Why the hell is this man even elected.

We'll see soon enough.

But the birth certificate thing is bogus.. even many of his enemies have investigated it and admitted that his birth certificate is completely valid.

As far as him being a "communist" .. you have to actually have some evidence for that.. where is it? Saying it may sound good, but it doesn't make it so.

Which appointees are scary and why??

As far as the hand over the heart...who flippin' cares about that? It is some made up tradition? People are just trying to find something to say against Obama, is all I get outta of that nonsense.

Not to mention, is this really a hand over the heart, or a taco gone bad??


And for the record...





I enjoy debate when it is based on facts and decent ideas, but pure propaganda and fear mongering is not all that interesting to discuss.

hahhaha.. I'm gonna miss Bush in that he is so funny sometimes. That picture is priceless.

Yeah, Bush is easy to laugh at, I think SNL will miss him more than anyone.

That guy on the left looks like he's doing the whoopy cushion thing under his jacket.

What exactly is this? Sounds vaguely familiar doesn't it. Gestapo?

ever heard of FBI? , MI6? SAPO?