Hitler/Obama

yea, here's his first press conference, I don't see the Hitler, Marx or Anti-Christ thing.. but that's just me.

few are the people that are born with a silver tongue, i'd say obamas rhetoric skills are that of one in a 100 000 000 or more... and when people like that are born they change the world around them, either in a good or a bad way. all the creators of religion had it.
Buddha had it, Mohamed had it, moses had it, jesus had it. paul used it to make Rome itself shake, the missionary work he did would later change an entire empire. luther had it, by words alone he split that times most powerful organization: the catholic church in two. by words alone dr.king launched one of teh largest and most amazing human rights movement teh world has ever seen. but sure there have also been peopel who have been born with the gift to rally people that have used it in a negative way, people like hitler. but hitler was never secretive about his way to look upon the world or the way he would rule. he was always talking about the superiority of the germanic race and culture and how they needed to get rid of those other lesser cultures that poisoned the land. much like yourself stefan.
neither is obama one to hide what the change he will bring embodies. and it is not an evil one but a revolution that our part of the world has already seen long ago. a peaceful revolution of unions where the workerclass steps up and take control of their situtation.

rhetorics may be a double edged sword, but obama is not using teh same edge as hitler did, just the other day my mother said (and she like my father are republican) "that boy talks like dr.king so much its almost creepy, i hope he doesn't get shoot too..."

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well he is right, they do not belong in a democratic nation... a nation like america should not base its laws on the old testament, and anyone that disagree can move to saudi arabia, iran or some other taliban land where they follow those laws for all i care... and mccain agrees with him, in his more maverick days he basically told the christian right wing fundamentalists to fudge of at several occasions.

ecthelion of the fountain wrote:well he is right, they do not belong in a democratic nation... a nation like america should not base its laws on the old testament, and anyone that disagree can move to saudi arabia, iran or some other taliban land where they follow those laws for all i care... and mccain agrees with him, in his more maverick days he basically told the christian right wing fundamentalists to fudge of at several occasions.

Exactly. Secular government is what this country was founded on, actually. Theocracry's suck.

If you want to live in a theocracy, check out Al-queda.. that's what they're fighting for.


btw.. let's keep all these in less threads, alright.

wow, so the fact that a arab initially takes for granted that because of obamas heritage he must really be a muslim and a supporter of arabs everywhere... it must be true?
that you trust crappy conspiracy theory vids like the ones you just posted. tells us more about you stefan then about obama.

and may i inform you that it is not only the few arabs in those vids that are fans of obama and that compares him to kennedy in a positive way.
BUT THE REST OF THE WORLD TOO... it may be all weird din the us with all teh mccain supporters being mad and sad. but i think bill maher best described how the rest of us feel. "it's like the whole world won the superbowl "

lol i got pretty surprised when i suddenly was in another thread

yea.. i combined em.. since they are the same thing.. haha

I see the similarities between Hitler and Obama. If you think about it...Hitler murdered millions of people and wanted a one race world. Obama, has murdered nobody and has brought together people from all walks of life, all over the world. Clearly very similar men. I am not sure how you people can't see that.

Wow.

Apparently anyone who draw large crowds of people is likened for Hitler.

This country was founded by very religious Protestants. The first congress meetings began with Bible studies. This is a fact, you have yours wrong.

Why is everyone here suddenly against christians, like we are the worst people in all the world.

What do you say about this, dave?
Why do you support all of this anti-christian propaganda?

What anti-Christian propaganda?

The founding fathers wanted Freedom of Religion and represented taxation, that is why they fought against England.. with it's State imposed Religion. That doesn't mean this country wasn't founded on Christianity, but it was founded on government that is secular enough to allow the Freedom to practice what ever religion you choose and not be persecuted for it, as happened in England.

I don't see that as anti-Christian.

I can't find any mention of anti-christian ideas in any of these posts, so I am a little confused here. Did I miss something?

As for this countries founding beliefs...
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of
the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the
Government for a redress of grievances.

I think it's also noteworthy that Warren Buffet.. the biggest capitalist in the country, endorses Obama's economic plan.

How you can say he is a communist after that is beyond me.

exactly many of the first settlers in america went there because they where not free to practice their religion in their original nation. thats really why the new world got the nickname the land of the free people saw it as a place where they could make a new life free from their oppressing rulers...
it's not about being anti-christian it's about being pro democracy and pro liberty

Stef, first ya called Obama a commie, now you're saying he's Hitler...

Call me crazy, but I always thought Herr Hitler abhored any form of communism/socialism. Those anti-Commie views kinda eventually helped make him popular with the people...

true because of Germany loosing the first war, their economy was really bad... so all the established party's in the Reichstag (what they called their parliament back then, we still call ours riksdag) where really unpopular. in times like that people always try out extremism and left/right extremist partys gain more power. there was initially a struggle between the commie and and natzi party, but trough some very clever tactics hitler soon practically erased the commies.

It is from the judeo/christian culture that we had the freedom we had by the anglo protestant founders of this country.

Muslims did not create this freedom, Buddhists did not, pagans did not.

Once the judeo/christian foundation is gone, I think it quite possible some of our freedoms will also be gone.

nope nope nope... judeo/christian cultures have traditionally been monarchies, lacking stuff freedom of speech and religious freedom. protestant rulers have trough the ages been some of the best tax collectors as well...

the whole reason we have any democracy at all is because of the creation of Hellenism in england during the first half of this millennium. trough the moors who after the arab expansion settled in southern spain, scholars of Europe could once again read the texts from the ancient library of Alexandria. the arabs had unlike the dictators Caesar and Augustus who almost burned the library conserved the texts, brought them back to bagdad where they where translated.

Europeans could through this new contact with a people that came directly from the Muslim empire again read the democratic texts of Greece and east turkey. this created Hellenism, and they started to think of Greece as the birthplace of western literature and culture... an idea and that gave birth to the renaissance, a set of values later again picked up by the philosophers of the late 17th and 18th century, most of these from catholic france and germany. it was these philosophers who started to write about freedom, based on the word libre=free came liberalism. and these ideas had a big role in the birth of america... why do you think you have the statue of liberty?

That does not disprove what I wrote. The protestant reformation and constant wars in europe between the catholic and new lutherians was in many ways the birth of this new idea of spiritual enlightenment and freedom. That the common man should have the scriptures for himself and live in convictions free of chastisement was certainly a key role in the formation of the american ideal and thereafter the revolutions of constitutions in europe.

I agree, history is a window or lesson of the past and future...that can show the clips of the future...

but, Stefan, and Eth..., you are both discussing the PAST, which we cannot change.

For the future...except that thinds do change!