Levitical Law

When did/does Levitical Law end? There are several laws who's' end was specified by Jesus, and God through Paul, in the NT, but does that mean all are under grace now?

I have one friend (woman slightly older than me) who does not know about my new tattoo yet, but she is definitely going to give me grief about it when she returns to town next week. She eats pork and shrimp, and wears clothes made of mixed cloth, etc. so I'm covered on that angle, but I want a little more than, "Well, what about these that are broken by you as well?"

I have been studying well and praying for guidance, but some additional input would be welcome!

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't be much help in that department and I don't really know what your asking advice on exactly?

But I believe scripture states that Only Those born again are under grace, no matter how religious you are or aren't.

And I believe scripture states that Levitical law never ended, but rather was fulfilled by The Sacrifice of Christ. So we are no longer under the "dominion" of that Law.. as it were, but rather under the dominion of Christ. In this way, He will either be our judge or saviour.

As far the situation with your friend..I'm not sure what you mean?

That she's gonna be upset that you have a tatto?

What can you really do about what people get upset about..ya know? Probably nothing.

But I could be wrong.

That she's gonna be upset that you have a tatto?

Yes, because of Leviticus 19:28, "Thou shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD."

yea.. there's also that verse about long hair on a man, written by Paul.

I don't eat pork nor shrimps :)

me either..

But do you wear clothes made of mixed cloths? If so, naughty, naughty...

I didn't even know there was a law against mixed clothes?

There really is?

wow. elf

I think its important to seek in the history about what "cuts in your body for the dead" really was about. Maybe it was some heathen rite in that, i dont really know.

We can say "it raining cats and dogs" today. (i hope everyone know what thats mean, when it rains alot).
But if someone read that in the future, they maybe think we mean that it raining real cats and dogs from the sky.
Do you understand what i mean?

Dont forget the historic part. it can gives the answer in many biblequestions.

haha, Sweden and its weird weather

haha.. i think "cats and dogs" are more English than swedish!

jonas von barsk wrote:I think its important to seek in the history about what "cuts in your body for the dead" really was about. Maybe it was some heathen rite in that, i dont really know.

We can say "it raining cats and dogs" today. (i hope everyone know what thats mean, when it rains alot).
But if someone read that in the future, they maybe think we mean that it raining real cats and dogs from the sky.
Do you understand what i mean?

Dont forget the historic part. it can gives the answer in many biblequestions.

Yep, good point.

I agree.

If it rains cats and dogs in england.. does it rain huldrefolk and jotner in swden? elf

haha. it rains bears and mooses in sweden!

it rains pizza in norway! probably. frozenpizza!

bears and mouses sounds like Alaska too.

I have always been taught, and I believe, that Jesus fulfilled the law for us. The Levitical Law was the big part of the covenant between God and Israel. The agreement was, you follow these rules and you will have fellowship with God. When Jesus came here and died for our sins there there was a new covenant established. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved." We have new commandments, "Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, soul and mind. Love your neighbor as yourself." Now, I don't think that this removed all value from the Law. God never gave the Jews rules for no reason. All of their crazy little, nit-picky rules had a reason. Pork and shrimp are bad for you, man! So, is it wrong to break the "Law"? What is wrong for us, under the new covenant is to go against what we believe God expects of us as his beloved children.

I think this is a very personal matter for every christian,
this between him/her and the Lord.

God didn't gave the laws to make our lives harder, but for our own good,
pork and shrimps and eel for example are less healthy than cow and sheep (under all normal circumstances).

But that doesn't mean that eating pork will make you go to hell.
Then again, if someone gets closer to God when he doesn't eat pork,
or when that person wears a talit (prayer shawl) during his prayers, then why would anyone stop that person.

I celebrate shabbat every friday evening, and I feel close to God , those moments are beautiful.
Is this necessary to be saved ? no.
But it is something for me personally.

But eel is Kult. The vikings ate it.

Thank you all for your input! I like what Emptytomb said on another board - that and what Mrs. Wingrid said sum it all up nicely and I am ready when she comes back.

Emptytomb spoke of the curtain being rent apart when Jesus died, completing all the law. Jesus was the ultimate and final sacrifice, doing away with all other sacrifices and requirements under the Law. He also spoke of all things being permissible, but not all things are beneficial, therefore we must make our decisions with Holy Ghost wisdom and guidance.

I also have to repent of my fears and judgments concerning this lady - she may be perfectly fine with it, and I am making more out of it than I should. I'll know in a week or so when I speak with her again.

Ash has seen it, but for those here who have not:

huh huh someone is wearing crocks :p

The tattoo is decent,
but I'm not fond of the peace sign, as it originated from a sign to bash Jesus and christianity.
(a reversed cross with broken arms) It dates from the time of the Roman emperors who used it to mock the christians.

but yeah, symbols and their change of meaning through history are a whole different thing :)

PeacethroughX wrote:
Ash has seen it, but for those here who have not:

Oooh, I like this. I am planning on getting an owl on the inside of one wrist and a dinosaur on the inside of the other, to remind me of my boys.

BloodDrift wrote:huh huh someone is wearing crocks :p

The tattoo is decent,
but I'm not fond of the peace sign, as it originated from a sign to bash Jesus and christianity.
(a reversed cross with broken arms) It dates from the time of the Roman emperors who used it to mock the christians.

but yeah, symbols and their change of meaning through history are a whole different thing :)

Never knew that. Interesting.

BloodDrift wrote:huh huh someone is wearing crocks :p

The tattoo is decent,
but I'm not fond of the peace sign, as it originated from a sign to bash Jesus and christianity.
(a reversed cross with broken arms) It dates from the time of the Roman emperors who used it to mock the christians.

but yeah, symbols and their change of meaning through history are a whole different thing :)

Yes, Crocs are handy when you have acreage and dogs... You can easily clean them with a hose.

As far as the origin of the peace symbol, sorry, but that's incorrect. You are thinking of the inverted, or upside down, cross that was used to kill St. Peter, who chose this method because he felt unworthy to die as Christ had died. It has since been appropriated by Satanism to represent anything anti-Christian, but it has also been used in it's historical place as the cross of St. Peter in the Catholic church. However, there was never any circle around it nor did they ever break the arms.

If you were alive in the 80s, that rumour about the peace symbol was started by one of the Word of Faith movement originals - I forget exactly which one, but I remember when it came out and I guess it still is being spread. It didn't take much suggestion or changes for it to take fire, like I said, even though the inverted cross never had a circle nor broken arms.

The Word of Faith movement of the 80s didn't like the Jesus People movement of the 70s (which I was a part of) because of our belief in living in community, sharing all possessions, ministering to the poor (as in actually taking care of them, clothing and feeding them) as the Apostles did in Acts. Word of Faith preached prosperity and wealth while we preached humble and simple living.

Anyway, that's a whole 'nother subject - sorry to go a little off track.

The peace symbol was created in 1958 using the semiphone symbols for N and D (nuclear disarmament) by Gerald Holtom, a conscientious objector. Just do a search on Google and you'll find all this information. That, and it was part of my American Civics when I was in high school. We had to learn all those stupid symbols in Civics class. That's one they don't have in public schools now, do they?

But the inverted cross was original used as a christian symbol. That much I know.

Kamerad Ash wrote:But the inverted cross was original used as a christian symbol. That much I know.

Exactly - it is the cross of St. Peter.

As far as the origin of the peace symbol, sorry, but that's incorrect. You are thinking of the inverted, or upside down, cross that was used to kill St. Peter, who chose this method because he felt unworthy to die as Christ had died. It has since been appropriated by Satanism to represent anything anti-Christian, but it has also been used in it's historical place as the cross of St. Peter in the Catholic church. However, there was never any circle around it nor did they ever break the arms.

I was not talking about this one,
I know the St Peters Cross and it's origin,
The peace symbol is another one,
now I don't know if your explanation is right (which could be ofcourse)
but yeah, the symbol you have isn't it also called 'the dragon's paw'? At least it is in our regions in Belgium