Re: American Politiks

by Guest Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:28 pm

WOW!! I could say a lot of things right now but I will not!!...But...

"Illegals are allowed here because america was and still is founded on
slave labor. The rich can pay them nothing, break there backs, and let
them die in the bushes after building the rich man's house. Twisted Evil

Lots of
illegals do not come here to work, but to steal and sell drugs, etc...

If you think the citizens of the usa don't work hard, like myself, you
are just wrong. We bust our asses to the grindstone everyday for the
little pay we receive. Illegals only lower our wages considerably and
put us out of work."

These comments almost contradict each other...So you say, the illegals break their backs for the rich and they are left to die but at the same time, Americans also work hard but it is the illegals that lower the wage? It seems to me, it is greed and unfair labor practices of the rich that allow this to happen not the immigrants. Considering most Americans are immigrants, that mentality is hard to justify...Would you be here if it were not for immigrants? We came here and took the land from the natives and Mexico...Well, many many years later, slowly they are kind of taking it back!! That is just the cycle of life, no? As far as the drugs/stealing thought...I think that is simply not true, I know just as many American's doing the same thing. affraid

As for the crime rate...Well, I lived in an inner city area of Houston, Texas where the crime was very high...none of which was Mexican related, even though that was also a border state...but the standards of living was more or less the same....poor, without proper medical care or food and left to die, while the rich acted as if they were not worthy of having better conditions...THAT creates crime and bitterness... Shocked

I do agree that we should be spending our time and money on ourselves and not engaging in never ending wars with every nation on earth....but to say..." kill our enemies quickly and lethally with maximum force and then come home" pale

...this is very upsetting to me....especially this being a somewhat christian website...I have a hard time believing Jesus would want that. I would rather help everyone find happiness and justice rather than just the Americans. I relate more on a human level than I do on a patriotic way of thinking. I guess, I mean, I don't wish a better life just for Americans, I wish that for all of God's children. I love you

by ecthelion of the fountain Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:53 am

Ash wrote:I'd say there is truth in what both last posts offer.

But when it comes to Immigration, I believe it is logical to stop it at a certain point. Historically speaking, not all immigration is healthy and it wouldn't hurt to take a break from accepting new immigrates until we can figure out how to deal with the millions of illegal ones we already have , as well as deal with our own infrastructure as well.

of course... but that does not mean you should deport everyone thats lived there shorter then you. america is the alien nation, you have always been to few, and today you have so many that live the single life, are gay or only have 1 kid, that if you stopped to make green cards you would cease to exist in not much more then a century.
in Denmark recently one of the "new European racist partys in disguise" got alot of power, because of their racist view they banned immigration even if you marry a dane you have to wait 5 years before you may move there. as a result they are to few and anyone that takes the train to Copenhagen can get a job within hours. for my sister it took 20 min. sure thats nice for us but if it continues they will be in big trouble. the same would happend to america.
there is a difference between getting stricter checks, decreasing teh quotes and deporting.
your brother had three basic pillars in his speach
1. get rid of "the others"
2. get rid of the enemy that sucks our all your money
3. use the new strong economy to rebuild the nation

this is called "national socialism" and i think we all know what happend last time one of those partys got elected in a superpower.
you don't need to "crush your enemy's" in europe we have alot of countrys that have almost no army at all but they are fien anyway... why? because we don't piss off other nations by saying stuff like that. Bin ladin once said "if every country was like sweden, there would be no need for a jihad"

by Ash Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:22 pm

Well, for the immigrants that have come here legally, and gone through the procedures, there wouldn't be any problem. It is true that this is a country of immigrants.. but I know my immigrant grandparents didn't sneak in the country either.

So I believe there has to be a distinction between Immigrants and Illegal Immigrants. I know other people's countries can be horrible, but we also cannot take every single person who wants to come here.. neither can Sweden do that.. or Germany.... if they want to remain with the same quality of life and basic national identity.

by Blixi Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:36 pm

We have extremely secure borders in Israel, and are not Nazi's. Just because you have one, doesn't mean you have the other. The world outside your borders is not always a friendly place, either. And there are alot of immigrants we don't want in our country, because it is their religion to try and kill us. Like a Star @ heaven

by stefan Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:50 pm

I think a national socialist democracy is what america needs more than anything. I am not talking about murdering anyone or killing a whole race of people. Give me a break, thats absurd. I mean what I said, throwing the illegals who have no right to be here, the hell out of my country. Killing our enemies in iraq and afghanistan, setting up proper puppet governments, and getting our soldiers home. We can use a small voluntary force cromprised of americans, brits, germans, Israeli, etc professional soldiers to maintain certain occupational laws.

The notion that the USA needs any more people here from non western countries is absurd, just like europe, there is nothing "racist" or "imperialist" about controlling your borders and making sure that the national cultural ethnicity is upheld and remains the majority. Otherwise you country is over with. Sweden cannot really be sweden if only 20% or the populus is ethnicly swedish, Germany cannot stay Germany if there are no more germans living there and controlling there own country.

This multicultural propoganda is destroying all of the West, we are in the same boat. When will people wake up and realize that there is nothing racist or evil about a country keeping its own flag and national ethnical identity, history, and culture.

I think what Geert Wilder is trying to do for the Dutch is exactly the right approach, otherwise europe is as good as dead, and we are soon to follow.

the West is the best place to live, and it is worth fighting for!!!
king

by Guest Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:24 am

Hmmm....This idea of preserving the "American" race, culture or whatever...Is fine, but...

1.) This would be hard to define, since the very core and essence of America is to be progressive, moving forward and taking on new ideas. Constantly changing and rejecting false ways of thinking. Despite what the heartland would like, coming from someone who spent 23 years living there. That way of thinking is not what created the America that is the "leader" of the world...they are the old way, that clings to tradition at all costs, despite facts or reality.

2.) What culture has really stayed exactly how it started (other than third world countries, which have also changed to an extent?). Everyone before us and after us will continue to mix and redefine...the past, present and future...dating back to the dinosaurs...things and/or people change...Yes, some things remain the same but overall, ideas will always change with new discoveries and technological discoveries. I for one, do not wish to oppress them but welcome them. I find it to be fascinating. bounce

As for what defines an American...If it were not for "change" America would not exist at all...
"I mean what I said, throwing the illegals who have no right to be here, the hell out of my country."
Like it or not, at one time, you/we were the very person who had no right to be here....So, what is the difference? It is okay to do unto others but not in return? Technically speaking, none of us should be here...So, why not just let the future cultures move on to whatever it is they will be? There is no "right" way of life, just a difference in culture and whatever you were told to believe as a child.

I would rather fight for my my fellow human brothers and sister, over a flag, any day.

I could care less about ethnicity and preserving it because I know whatever I am, is the combo of whatever was blended together in the past...Does this make me a reject?

by ecthelion of the fountain Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:23 am

so stefan you want a natzi society without the killing of non Europeans? thats just absurd. th fact that you only want European immigrants is very very very racist

the culture you are so eager to preserve is one built on immigration. america is not a culture its a melting pot of cultures. you only have to try to describe typical american food to see what i am getting at.

it is their religion to try and kill us

that is actually not true... muslim exterminist actually don't have any real support in the koran. they are pretty much like teh popes of the dark ages.
i do agree that you need strong borders, because you are in a war on your own soil.

Well, for the immigrants that have come here legally, and gone through the procedures, there wouldn't be any problem. It is true that this is a country of immigrants.. but I know my immigrant grandparents didn't sneak in the country either.

So I believe there has to be a distinction between Immigrants and Illegal Immigrants. I know other people's countries can be horrible, but we also cannot take every single person who wants to come here.. neither can Sweden do that.. or Germany.... if they want to remain with the same quality of life and basic national identity.

they didn't have to sneak in because alot of countrys rules for who can become a legal immigrant are racist. even swedens are, if you are american or brittish you will always get to stay, as long as you have a job.
there is nothing wrong with making the boarders safer, but even sweden now and then pardon the illegals that have been here a long time. because our goverment realise that by them continuing to be illegals,they continue to feed the black market with moneyt etc...

by Ash Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:52 am

ecthelion of the fountain wrote:

they didn't have to sneak in because alot of countrys rules for who can become a legal immigrant are racist. even swedens are, if you are american or brittish you will always get to stay, as long as you have a job.
there is nothing wrong with making the boarders safer, but even sweden now and then pardon the illegals that have been here a long time. because our goverment realise that by them continuing to be illegals,they continue to feed the black market with moneyt etc...

I disagree that those rules for immigration are racist.. they are usually based on skills, language and other qualifications and I think a country has a right to decide what qualifications should be met by immigrants. For example, if that British or American who has a job in sweden is african or persian in race, it would matter not... as long as he was still a british or american. It's not based on race, and therefore not racist. It's more based on country of origin... or to put more generically.."culture".

I know in Germany immigration policy is based largely on skill. They want people who will be productive in their society and I don't see what's wrong with that either. We don't live in a one world government just yet. orc

I believe sovereign countries should have a right to set their own standards.. within decency.

by ecthelion of the fountain Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:57 pm

the idea that only "western" cultures create intelligent and hard working people is so racist it should be spelled H-I-T-L-E-R.
i'm sorry ash, i think i will leave this forum. i cant stay at a forum where the founder, defends the politic ideas of someone that want a natzi goverment in america. even if he is his brother.

by Ash Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:21 pm

I don't know how your coming to your conclusions. I know my brother well enough to know he doesn't support nazi's , nor do I.

Nor do i see where anyone said that only people that are part of western cultures are intelligent or something? sage

Do you believe it is Racist, for example, to hire the most qualified candidate for a job? That's the same thing alot of countries do for immigration.. I was just trying to make that point.

by stefan Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:15 pm

We really need to get over this "nazi" terminology. The nazi's were darwinistic humanists that believed God was dead and some men are more evolved than others, so why not wipe out the weak. This is based on darwin's false science, evolution and has no basis in fact whatsoever. I am a christian, and I would never condone murder, only just war to save men from evil.

I think some of you would rather there be no countries at all, just one big world power. This is truly, truly scary. You need independent strong countries to balance this world out, and to have a country you need a few simple things.
A national identity,
Defined Borders,
a common language.

History has proven that without these, your country will become either someone elses, or many different ones.

by Guest Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:58 pm

I don't think I have mentioned anything about a nazi or compared anyone of you or your individual ideas to them.

What is the difference between Europe, a collection of defined borders
called countries and the U.S.A, a collection of defined borders called
states? I just don't see what the difference is, other than the
terminology.

At least in Europe, if Germany decides to bomb Iran, French citizens
are not held accountable for Germany's aggression. Unlike here, we
decide to blow up Syria or Pakistan, a decision made by a select few,
the entire country has to pay for it. Because we are all grouped
together. I for one do not like that. People who in know way agree with
our foreign policy, were killed on 9/11. That irritates me. If
religious extremist want to fight each other, go for it. But I don't
want to be a part of it and unfortunately a lot of people in this
country are paying for mistakes and ideology of a select few. As are
people in Iraq.

Europe
as a whole does not have a "national identity" and it is functioning
just fine. Each country is different. I would say the same of the
U.S...New York, Texas and California are nothing alike. The only common
thread is language, most of the time. Even the english language is
different from state to state.

What is our "national identity"? We don't share the same religions, values, economic ideas,
tastes in music, food or art. That is why there are so many different
labels...Independents, Liberals, Conservatives....and so on...

I don't want to "belong" to any nation. I would prefer to wander the
earth and experience all the different ways of life people have
created. I just don't think any one group has created a better way of
life, just different ways of going through our little journey called
life. I find them all to be fascinating. I don't feel the need to
protect or maintain the culture I live in. I accept it will evolve over
time, as people and theories evolve.

As far as history is concerned, it definitely proves that people and places change over time. Like it or not.

lurk

by ecthelion of the fountain Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:41 pm

Ash wrote:I don't know how your coming to your conclusions. I know my brother well enough to know he doesn't support nazi's , nor do I.

Nor do i see where anyone said that only people that are part of western cultures are intelligent or something?

Do you believe it is Racist, for example, to hire the most qualified candidate for a job? That's the same thing alot of countries do for immigration.. I was just trying to make that point.

I think a national socialist democracy is what america needs more than anything

that is your brothers own words nazi = national socialism...
you said rules that made it easier for europeans to move to the us then people from asia, africa, south america or the middle east was not racist. at the same time you say you want the most qualified person for the job. by sting that you are indirectly saying that Europeans are better then the other immigrants, and that my friend is racism.

We really need to get over this "nazi" terminology. The nazi's were darwinistic humanists that believed God was dead and some men are more evolved than others, so why not wipe out the weak. This is based on darwin's false science, evolution and has no basis in fact whatsoever.

right because the germans fucked up during the 40's and now the nationalists in europe and america are all talking about "getting over it", "we have nothing to do with that". the only difference between you and hitler is that you just want to kick people out, while he since he also wanted to take over the world didn't find that enough, since the lands they would return to would soon be invaded by him.
hitlers ideas was not based on Darwinism, the fact that you keep saying that in all debates just show that you don't know much at all about Darwinism. hitler based his ideas on eugenics,a series of ideas written by galton after he in his turn had read his cousin darwins work. darwin himself did not think of whites as superior in intellect. this is shown in his diary, when he in his travels spend rime with peopel of various races and write down what he think of them as persons.
as for the fact that he claims all the scientists in the world does nothing but make up fairytales when creationists actully believe that the world is 6000 years old. just this monday i was standing over a fish catching cage from the very village that would grow to my town, that was 8000 years old. and if you utter one word on not believing in the dating methods of us archaeologists then i dare you to expose yourself to nuclear waste, because that is the science it is based on. RADIATION

by Oddly Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:15 pm

stefan wrote:Illegals from mexico have the highest criminal rate of anyone in the usa. This is a fact. Illegals are not a productive, or good thing. A Country has borders for a reason, come in through the front door, don't sneak in through my window and sell drugs to my kids.

Deport them, militarize the borders, make english our national language, raise minimal wages everywhere and prevailing wages, mandate health coverage for every citizen, stop sending money oversees, focus on our own country for once, focus on our own people, kill our enemies quickly and lethally with maximum force and then come home, make education a high priority.

Stefan, I'm fairly sure what I'm going to say now isn't going to change your mind or heart one bit, but I'm damn well gonna say it anyway, and I'd like to see where you've gotten your factual statistics from.

I would like to tell you, myself and my mother being in the business of immigration/citizenship consultation, that nearly everyone of our clients are people who have lived in the US many years, working their asses off in crappy jobs that no one else is willing to do, saving up every little bit of money they get so that they can afford to the right to *possibly* become citizens. Many times its one person saving up for themselves and their family.

Having the amazing and wonderful privilege of just happened to have been born in the US, I am certain, Stefan, that you have no idea how much it actually costs a person to file for their citizenship.
And here's the good part, US Citizenship, no matter whether a person files on their own or with a consultant or even a lawyer, its just like winning the lotto! The Folks in Charge decide almost at random who's approved and who isn't, and waiting periods just to find out can be from 6 months to several years. How terribly exciting!

Its all random, families file their papers together, maybe dad's papers are processed and approved within 6 months, no problems; year and half later, maybe the kids are approved, several months after that, they find out mom's papers were not approved for no reason...Yay! They get to reapply and pay all those exhorbitant and wonderfultastic fees and wait for who-the-Hell-knows-long all over again!!! And is citizenship guarenteed the second time? Nope, its probably even more likely to get denied again as the person's paper work was denied the first time. Yay for getting into the US legally! Hooray for bureaucracy! cheers

For those who have a hard time perceiving embittered sarcasm when its written...well, there ya go!

by Oddly Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:21 pm

Ash wrote:Do you believe it is Racist, for example, to hire the most qualified candidate for a job? That's the same thing alot of countries do for immigration.. I was just trying to make that point.

Not in anyway trying to make you feel stupid or anything, Ash, but HA! That is all.

by Oddly Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:41 pm

ear-sighted wrote:
Europe as a whole does not have a "national identity" and it is functioning
just fine. Each country is different. I would say the same of the
U.S...New York, Texas and California are nothing alike. The only common
thread is language, most of the time. Even the english language is
different from state to state.

What is our "national identity"? We don't share the same religions, values, economic ideas,
tastes in music, food or art. That is why there are so many different
labels...Independents, Liberals, Conservatives....and so on...

I don't want to "belong" to any nation. I would prefer to wander the
earth and experience all the different ways of life people have
created. I just don't think any one group has created a better way of
life, just different ways of going through our little journey called
life. I find them all to be fascinating. I don't feel the need to
protect or maintain the culture I live in. I accept it will evolve over
time, as people and theories evolve.

As far as history is concerned, it definitely proves that people and places change over time. Like it or not.

Ear-Sighted, I just want to let you know that I want to give you a huge-normus hug! That last post of yours was beautiful! I got all excited! Yay! *not sarcasm* mmm

And really, aren't we all just wanderers on the earth?

I feel that government is only good for keeping people safe and cared for, and this includes keeping order because apparently most people haven't learned how to keep their hands to themselves. Sure, its great to have a sense of patriotism when you have a leader who cares for the wellbeing of the people in your country, but there is a point where this devotion to one's earthly home leads to ethnocentric pride, and that leads to...well, many, many bad things.

by Guest Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:52 pm

Oddly wrote:
ear-sighted wrote:
Europe as a whole does not have a "national identity" and it is functioning
just fine. Each country is different. I would say the same of the
U.S...New York, Texas and California are nothing alike. The only common
thread is language, most of the time. Even the english language is
different from state to state.

What is our "national identity"? We don't share the same religions, values, economic ideas,
tastes in music, food or art. That is why there are so many different
labels...Independents, Liberals, Conservatives....and so on...

I don't want to "belong" to any nation. I would prefer to wander the
earth and experience all the different ways of life people have
created. I just don't think any one group has created a better way of
life, just different ways of going through our little journey called
life. I find them all to be fascinating. I don't feel the need to
protect or maintain the culture I live in. I accept it will evolve over
time, as people and theories evolve.

As far as history is concerned, it definitely proves that people and places change over time. Like it or not.

Ear-Sighted, I just want to let you know that I want to give you a huge-normus hug! That last post of yours was beautiful! I got all excited! Yay! *not sarcasm*

And really, aren't we all just wanderers on the earth?

I feel that government is only good for keeping people safe and cared for, and this includes keeping order because apparently most people haven't learned how to keep their hands to themselves. Sure, its great to have a sense of patriotism when you have a leader who cares for the wellbeing of the people in your country, but there is a point where this devotion to one's earthly home leads to ethnocentric pride, and that leads to...well, many, many bad things.

Aww, thanks...I agree that government should take care of people, through health care, education, not allowing corporate greed and so one...not through trying to guess what country what might be a threat to us in the future and attacking them....then spending all out our money rebuilding the other country while ours falls apart.

The world is global, it has already happened. Our economy failed and the entire world economy failed immediately after, like dominoes...if that does not show just how tied together we all are, I don't know what else does? I don't think we need to segregate but rather regulate, so that everyone is on an equal level. Including controlling our borders and immigration. If we let the entire world move in tomorrow, the people that come here for a better life would not benefit in any way, since we would never have enough resources to medically or financially be able to take care of them all, especially if you make them hide and not allow them to pay taxes. But I do think there is a way to let people come in with greater ease, START PAYING TAXES as soon as they find work, so that they give to the community rather than just use the resources without adding in their money or whatever. After a short period, if they wish to stay and have not had a negative impact on the community, let them become citizens.

If we are that worried about the borders, we should probably try to find a way to help Mexico become just as successful as our country, that way, you don't have to come here to find a better life. But if our ceo's continue to send our jobs over there and pay them 10 cents a day, we will both suffer from that. Our jobs are then lost from our country to another, where the job doesn't pay enough to create a livable society. So, the rich white man, becomes even richer. It seems it always comes back to sharing the wealth and making decisions for the good of everyone, not just yourself or your group/culture/country...But I definitely do not want to be surrounded by nothing but european white people, who think just like me. I enjoy the ideas and opinions offered to me by other people and cultures. Especially in regards to music and food.... sev

I don't think some of the posts are entirely racists, but there are certain parts with racist ideas in them. But until you really know where the other side is coming from and really know their obstacles, you will never understand it. If you are going to study the stats on the impact made from a certain group, perhaps you should also study what they are going through as well. Which Oddly mentioned in regards to the difficulty of becoming a citizen.

The science arguement...I don't think Darwin is 100% correct but I do think there is truth in some of his ideas, that lead to other discoveries that are accurate. I guess in the same way, Newton influenced Einstein, but Einstein obviously proved him wrong on certain theories. I in no way believe the earth is 6,000 years old. I didn't even realize people believed that?? Question

I don't even care about the Nazi arguements. Socialism already exists here, if a 700 billion dollar bailout is not just that, I don't know what is? But I do think, capitalism also has a place here.

Well, I think that covers everything. cheers

by Oddly Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:24 am

ear-sighted wrote:But I do think there is a way to let people come in with greater ease, START PAYING TAXES as soon as they find work, so that they give to the community rather than just use the resources without adding in their money or whatever. After a short period, if they wish to stay and have not had a negative impact on the community, let them become citizens.

If we are that worried about the borders, we should probably try to find a way to help Mexico become just as successful as our country, that way, you don't have to come here to find a better life. But if our ceo's continue to send our jobs over there and pay them 10 cents a day, we will both suffer from that. Our jobs are then lost from our country to another, where the job doesn't pay enough to create a livable society. So, the rich white man, becomes even richer. It seems it always comes back to sharing the wealth and making decisions for the good of everyone, not just yourself or your group/culture/country...But I definitely do not want to be surrounded by nothing but european white people, who think just like me. I enjoy the ideas and opinions offered to me by other people and cultures. Especially in regards to music and food....

I don't think some of the posts are entirely racists, but there are certain parts with racist ideas in them. But until you really know where the other side is coming from and really know their obstacles, you will never understand it. If you are going to study the stats on the impact made from a certain group, perhaps you should also study what they are going through as well. Which Oddly mentioned in regards to the difficulty of becoming a citizen.

I totally agree! In countries like Mexico, money is power and those in power are doing everything they can to keep the money to themselves, they couldn't give less of a crap what happens to the less fortunate. People talk about how horrible and corrupt these governments are, but no one does anything *too busy looking for those ellusive weapons of mass destruction*.

The US government can't be bothered to solve its own problems or those of its close neighbors *Mex.*. If an effort was made to stop the corruption, it could become a win-win situation, happy people well-taken care of and educated in their native land, easier/less legal expesive immigration/emigration, etc, as opposed to the lose-lose one we have now.

I don't think some of those post(er)s were necessarily racist, maybe a little more naive and perhaps just a little unthoughtful. Everyone says things unthoughtfully at times, but they should recognise that and learn from it.

by Guest Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:06 am

Well said, "Oddly". Razz

by ecthelion of the fountain Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:21 am

Oddly wrote:and I'd like to see where you've gotten your factual statistics from.

i bet he watches cops Rolling Eyes

by stefan Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:28 pm

The response I would expect from you. The liberal party line, well spoken.

I work for a defence contractor, doing plumbing repair on our submarine base, marine base, and space and naval warfare facilities here in san diego. I work with our military every day, and if anyone is an american some of these men and women are. It's funny how every single one of these soldiers and workers agree with me on this, every time we talk about it.

When the 8:00 national anthem plays over the loudspeakers, every veihcle and every person stops what they are doing and honors what this country still stands for. It stands for freedom, and thats disappearing every day thanks to multiculturalism and open borders. Where, do you think we got this idea of freedom, from africa? from Saudi arabia? From China? From Mexico?

No, we got this idea from the anglo saxon protestant warriors who bled for it and finally created it. It wasn't free and wasn't cheap, and it never is.

But you want to throw all of this away, and turn the USA into a free for all, well, guess what, not all cultures believe in freedom, as a matter of fact most on this earth do not.

If you hate it here so much, why not try living some where else.

Mexicans create mexico, Muslims create the sheisse holes of the world, Germans create germany, British create Great Britain, AMERICA is what it is because of its inhabitants, who were anglo saxons. When that founding culture is gone, america will be gone, as it was. It will be someone elses idea of a country.

The best countries in the world are european countries, so everyone else in the world tries to come here, and they bring there culture with them. When these people become the majority, then the country becomes more like where they came from, a crap hole.

Common sense!

by Guest Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:26 pm

stefan wrote:The response I would expect from you. The liberal party line, well spoken.

I work for a defence contractor, doing plumbing repair on our submarine base, marine base, and space and naval warfare facilities here in san diego. I work with our military every day, and if anyone is an american some of these men and women are. It's funny how every single one of these soldiers and workers agree with me on this, every time we talk about it.

When the 8:00 national anthem plays over the loudspeakers, every veihcle and every person stops what they are doing and honors what this country still stands for. It stands for freedom, and thats disappearing every day thanks to multiculturalism and open borders. Where, do you think we got this idea of freedom, from africa? from Saudi arabia? From China? From Mexico?

No, we got this idea from the anglo saxon protestant warriors who bled for it and finally created it. It wasn't free and wasn't cheap, and it never is.

But you want to throw all of this away, and turn the USA into a free for all, well, guess what, not all cultures believe in freedom, as a matter of fact most on this earth do not.

If you hate it here so much, why not try living some where else.

Mexicans create mexico, Muslims create the sheisse holes of the world, Germans create germany, British create Great Britain, AMERICA is what it is because of its inhabitants, who were anglo saxons. When that founding culture is gone, america will be gone, as it was. It will be someone elses idea of a country.

The best countries in the world are european countries, so everyone else in the world tries to come here, and they bring there culture with them. When these people become the majority, then the country becomes more like where they came from, a crap hole.

Common sense!

I stand corrected...that comment was racist in many ways.

I for one like living here because it is a melting pot, not sure how everyone else feels on that. However, I hear Darfur is a great place for ethnic cleansing. pirat

"AMERICA is what it is because of its inhabitants, who were anglo
saxons. When that founding culture is gone, america will be gone, as it
was. It will be someone elses idea of a country."

Actually, no, the real Americans were not Anglo Saxons. I am certain you have heard of the Natives or what was originally Mexico? If they had the internet and blogs when "we" slaughtered them and took their land, their statement would probably sound something like this..."When that founding culture is gone, america (insert whatever it was called then) will be gone, as it
was. It will be someone elses idea of a country."

Funny, that is exactly what happened!!!
It has happened on nearly every continent on earth. Things change.

If the white man or "Euroman" was the chosen one, then why would God create the others?

I find it to be sad, that people who think like that are missing out on so much of this world and just how fascinating it is. The Arab/Muslim community thinks a lot like that, as far as believing, "we are the only right way to live".

I have many friends and family members in the military and well, it is militant...they have to say those things and stop when the national anthem is played. They have specifically told me that they cannot say how the really feel in emails because the are probably being screened.

I will never understand forcing yourself into a tunnel, that tells you what life must be and how to think, instead of seeking out the various ideas and ways created by others. If we never changed, I guess we would all be Sumerians right now? Or one of the other ancient societies?

For the record, I enjoy debate and could argue until I die, none of this is a personal attack on anyone. I love you

Dang liberal hippies!!!

by stefan Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:24 am

Well, I guess it depends what race you are, if you are not western european, then certainly you don't care about my culture. You see, race has a lot to do about everything believe it or not. It is your world view, history, language, ideas of right and wrong, and everything else. And of course now you are going to call my a "racist" again and again. But thats ok, I'm used to it.

I just prefer to live around anglo, germanic peoples because I can relate both cultural, historically, and ethnically to them. I love our art, poetry, history, music, landscapes, and all the rest more than any other culture. It is the best in the world, hands down. Is this so wrong?

The anglo saxon society is far better than the native american one. With whom would you like to live at the end of the day, back in the 17th century?

Simple question, isn't it?

hknight

by Guest Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:09 am

stefan wrote:Well, I guess it depends what race you are, if you are not western european, then certainly you don't care about my culture. You see, race has a lot to do about everything believe it or not. It is your world view, history, language, ideas of right and wrong, and everything else. And of course now you are going to call my a "racist" again and again. But thats ok, I'm used to it.

I just prefer to live around anglo, germanic peoples because I can relate both cultural, historically, and ethnically to them. I love our art, poetry, history, music, landscapes, and all the rest more than any other culture. It is the best in the world, hands down. Is this so wrong?

The anglo saxon society is far better than the native american one. With whom would you like to live at the end of the day, back in the 17th century?

Simple question, isn't it?

.

by Guest Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:14 am

ear-sighted wrote:
stefan wrote:Well, I guess it depends what race you are, if you are not western european, then certainly you don't care about my culture. You see, race has a lot to do about everything believe it or not. It is your world view, history, language, ideas of right and wrong, and everything else. And of course now you are going to call my a "racist" again and again. But thats ok, I'm used to it.

I just prefer to live around anglo, germanic peoples because I can relate both cultural, historically, and ethnically to them. I love our art, poetry, history, music, landscapes, and all the rest more than any other culture. It is the best in the world, hands down. Is this so wrong?

The anglo saxon society is far better than the native american one. With whom would you like to live at the end of the day, back in the 17th century?

Simple question, isn't it?

.

Well, I am French and Dutch, from what studies I have done on my family
history...not Indian or Mexican. I was simply stating that the planet,
especially America was established before the Germans or other "whites"
even though I am one of them.

Race has nothing to do with
anything, other than, that is what you were born into and prefer to
believe or not. You are able to form opinions outside your race.

As
far as your comments on racism, I only call it racist because it is.
How do you prefer German landscapes while living in San Diego? Why is
the anglo saxon society better? Not how they are different, but better?
You should probably spend time getting to know other cultures. They are
not so bad and in some ways may agree with your ideas

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